#mcu critical

[wolvierinez]

"im so excited for avengers doomsday bc it has the xmen in it" you know what also has the xmen in it

[tonkysexist]

Magneto is JEWISH. He is a Jewish character. The original version of the story the new X-Men 97 season is trying to tell relied on him being snapped out his plan by a young Jewish girl being hurt (I actually posted about how much I love this story beat last year). A young Jewish girl he later attends a meeting of Holocaust survivors with. Telling this story without using the word “Holocaust” or “Jewish” is so very telling. And it’s not a one off with this show— Roberto is an Afro-Brazilian character who manifested his powers because of a hate crime and they changed his origin completely.

Disney will ALWAYS shy away from these issues. They will ALWAYS want the kudos from having minority characters while sanitizing their stories. Really think about what it means for them to do this to characters like Sunspot and Magneto, but stand their ground when it comes to keeping the Israeli propaganda character in upcoming Cap movie.

[sourpatchgrapes]

Is the mcu allergic to Romani people???

Updated + p.s MCU WANDA FANS DON'T FUCKING INTERACT, I DON'T LIKE YOU.

[femaleboysblog]

on light of the new captain america movie getting a trailer and people begging everyone to boycott it because of the character sabra (for obvious reasons), I've seen a lot of people asking "why would they do that especially now?" (with the palestine genocide happening and the whole world aware of that?) and let me tell you why. many years ago, a big discussion here on tumblr about the mcu specifically was about how the movies were obviously sponsored by the us military and the government and written in a way where you would fall for their propaganda (very well hidden btw) without even realising, example: making it seem like the military is stupid and cia etc is incompetent. when they are clearly not in real life. they are adding sabra now and not taking it back because they know their fans will consume whatever they put out even if its to record, edit and post reviews videos hating on it on youtube and getting millions of views. it's still more money for disney. and a opportunity for a 'superhero' who's whole motivation is to 'save and protect' israel in hopes of humanizing even more the people who support palestinian genocide and paint them as good guys. there's many others examples of this through their 20 somethings year of franchise. please research about it and keep an eye and open mind when engaging in media in the future, especially mcu and other big franchises from the usa.

[i-love-tony-stark]

Y’know the truth is I don’t think Tony Stark would bother me nearly as much if his fans were just even slightly normal about him. Like antis get this reputation for being crazy obsessive hateful people, but in my experience they’re just frustrated fans that want a place to vent about an otherwise very popular character. It’s the stans who will cross tag and send death threats to blogs that dare disparage their precious baby. It’s the stans that clamor for unfair amounts of screen time and encourage the co-opting of other characters to surround Tony Stark. I don’t see antis writing a thousand 10k fanfics about Team Iron Man getting tortured and groveling to Steve. Idk maybe this is an unfortunately common fandom behavior?? It just seems so unnecessary to me

[whereserpentswalk]

The reason why that joss whedon/mcu style "he's right behind me" humor is so unpleasant is because it's written with contempt for the worldbuilding most of the time.

Basically a lot of that quippy joss whedon style humor is written by people who are uncomfortable with the concept of genre fiction, but who are writing it any way, so they basically end up having their characters voice their opinion on the setting. Something like the "a cannibal named Hannibal isn't that a little on the nose" from that what if other movies were written by joss whedon meme doesn't work, not just because it's humor in an otherwise serious thing (tons of serious movies have comic relief) but because it's a comment someone would only make if they're reacting to the the name as if it's something written, and not like it's a real name they encountered.

It's terrible writing, but it's not about tone like how most people think, it's about characterization. Good character writing tends to rely on thinking about who the character is and what they'd do in the situation they're in. This type of humor does the exact opposite, it ignores crucial elements of who a character is so they can say something that the writer wants desperately to be said.

To use a more concrete example, there's an exchange in Firefly, a series joss whedon wrote before his worst writing quirks infected all of Hollywood like a locust plague. The exchange surrounds the characters reacting to one of the characters being revealed to have gained psychic powers via lobotomy. One character says skeptically "psychic powers, what kind of scifi nonsense is this" and another character replies "we live on a spaceship."

Now, this exchange has bothered me since I was a child. Spaceships are a normal thing in the firefly universe, every single character has lived their entire life with them being mundane vehicles, while psychic powers have just been revealed to be a thing to the audience. There's no reason why it would make sense for any character to see those two things as equivalent. The only people who that line makes sense to are the writers. It's like a perfectly constructed attack on suspension of disbelief, actively making fun of an audience who gets invested in the characters and their lives.

And the worst part about it, is that if it was just the first line, (the, "what type of scifi nonsense is this") without the reply, (the, "We live in a spaceship"). It would have worked better, both as a joke and as a peice of character writing.

It would have worked better as a joke without the reply, because it would have been actually subtle about the irony of a character in a spaceship complaining about something in his life seeming too scifi. The reply is basically just explaining the joke. It would have worked better as a worldbuilding line. Because what's weird for characters in a setting vs what's normal for them is a really hard thing to get across, and the first line gets it across pretty elegantly. And then the reply takes that elegant peice of writing and completely destroys it because of the writers insecurities about writing a story that takes place in space.

Anyway. Joss whedon is a badish writer and his worst tendencies should not have become Hollywood standard. All of this came from me re-watching old episodes of adventure time yesterday and wondering why the humor works there and why other media's humor doesn't work.

[oreolesbian]

YOU’RE GIVING THE RUSSO BROTHERS MAGNETO????? OH GOD NOOOOOOOOO 😵‍💫😭🤢

[burn-4u]

How the fuck marvel studios has developed 6.5 whole avengers movies without founding member of the team the wasp in a notable role in any of them is fucking beyond me

[buckymilf]

everyday this meme i made in 2021 becomes more real, thanks rogers the musical

[musette22]

Sorry for my rambling but the resurgence of ppl who hate Steve’s ending on TikTok got me thinking again.

Why do people insist Steve was still a man out of time 10 years into the MCU and he didn’t adapt to the future? Why do they keep pretending like Steve loved living in the past bc “it was the past society he was missing” and not bf he woke up all alone and confused, PTSD’d to hell 70 years in the future, ALONE.

Chris said it himself when he said Steve finds his found family in the future. He has Sam, Natasha, treats Wanda as a lil sister. Then he does everything, including defying all governments and becoming a criminal to get his best friend back. Steve is very much adapted and he doesn’t long for the past. Sure, he misses people. The commandos all died and he never got to see the . Peggy aged and got sick (and let’s be real, he pretty much says goodbye to her in tws and she tells him to move on and live his own life and then suddenly in endgame BAM he’s not over her again? When he’s been just fine the past few movies?? Like sure her death was sad for him but hes not longing after her? All he is focused on is *checks notes* saving Bucky and defying the government.

It’s just such a superficial and lazy read of Steve’s initial “man out of time” schtick to keep reducing him to someone who could never adapt to the progressive future when he is in fact the most progressive avenger. Steve does not long for the past because he thinks it was a better time but bc he was abruptly ripped out of it. But not once do we ever see him struggle to adapt again. He does not even long after Peggy and is happy she got to live her own happy life. Where does this “Steve needs to live in the past to be happy” trope come from, and why did the Russo brothers fall for it too? How is Steve not a man out of time again in the 50s when he’s already used to the future?

Steve “the past is for fossils” Rogers’s final ending is to retract all his progress and fuck off to the past and ditch his found family, sure

First of all, people on tiktok are talking about how terrible Steve's ending was? That's great, gives me back some hope for that app lol.

And second of all, PREACH. All of this, a thousand times over. You're absolutely correct and you should say it, thank you very much. I genuinely agree with all of this so much, and I could go on and on about it, but I don't want to spend more of my precious energy dwelling on that dumb movie anymore than I already have.

Just about this bit, though:

"How is Steve not a man out of time again in the 50s when he’s already used to the future?" - THIS, plus he never actually lived through the 50s because he was in the ice from 1945 onwards, and he spent the years before that at war in Europe, so that would just another time jump/displacement for him?? He'd just be DOUBLY out of time: displaced both from the future which had very much become his present and his home, and also his past, which he never would've actually wanted to go back to anyway, LEAST of all without Bucky (and his friends/new family), and definitely not for Peggy, who he'd already said goodbye to and knew to have lived a good life. Jesus Christ. Literally the stupidest fucking ending anyone could've come up with for Steve, congratulations you marvel numbnuts.

ANYWAY. I'll always be angry about this, but I should probably also mind my blood pressure lmao so I'm just going to forget about this whole fiasco again now and think about how happy Steve and Bucky currently are together 🥰

[biwoop]

[portraitofadyke]

Steve rogers is NOT the man who’s obliged to help everyone and never turn his back on those who need him. Steve Rogers is not obliged to hold people’s hands and be responsible for them. Steve rogers is the man who will do it either way, because it’s in his nature. Steve Rogers is not a hero because he has obligations and fulfils them, but because he’s naturally selfless and choosing to help people is not a sacrifice for him, it’s who he is. That’s what endgame writers couldn’t understand and why they thought him turning his back on his best friends and found family to disappear to the past (after saying goodbye to it years ago) to put his feet up and ‘retire’ while terrible things happen around him doesn’t make sense

[immortalclarareborn]

[gay-jewish-bucky]

anyone else think it fucked up that zemo's apartment appears to be an old synagogue? or is that just me?

lots of synagogues in eastern europe lost entire communities in the holocaust, either through expulsion and mass killings, so it's not out of nowhere for one to be repurposed into a residence building, but it's a very fucked up choice, if they even thought of the implications at all (which i highly doubt with how little they seemed to care about the characters, let alone properly tackling trauma or racism)

[lunarspiral1127]

So, the cast of Avengers Doomday was released, and we're getting a lot of people reprising their roles from the Fox's X-Men movies. Including Nightcrawler. Not young Nightcrawler, ALAN CUMMING'S NIGHTCRAWLER FROM X2!!!

First of all, I wasn't expecting him to come back. Second, I love Nightcrawler as he's one of my favorite X-Men characters. We were fortunate that he was handled well in X-Men 97. But, I swear, MCU, if you ruin Kurt Wagner for us, if you do him dirty of if you kill him off in a terrible way like Professor X in Multiverse of Madness, I WILL FREAKING LOSE IT!

[jooniely]

It's so so ironic that in universe and irl people have fallen for the propaganda of captain america. Like so many see steve rogers as the representation of America that is conservative, imperialist, violent, army man, would be racist and sexist and homophobic. They have quite literally fallen for the image that was created by the US after he died. They made him stand for something he never was. His movies are literally about Steve rogers but both in his arc and irl his title of captain america drowns out steve rogers and others only see a walking propaganda machine when he ISNT. He's specifically supposed to be the opposite.

We see steve rogers who doesn't like bullies, doesn't want to stand by when things are wrong and wants to do his part in making the world a better place. He has given his life for the cause. He doesn't care about laws and rules, it's about ethics and he knows that laws don't always equal ethics. People see him as america, as the representation of the literal country instead of a person who would be the first to fight against the US gov and HAS done so.

The mcu is propaganda anyways, but they're succeeding a bit too much with the way so many unironically agree with certain things while ignoring the characters who would stand against the propagandist messages. Like why did so many people side with Tony when he sprouted hydra rhetoric in endgame? Why do so many mcu fans agree with the trade-off of freedom for 'safety' ?? We are quite literally shown and told why that's problematic in winter soldier! And who stands against that? Steve rogers

It's actually kind of fucked up that the one character that would be anti-imperialism, radical, and aware of and fighting against bigotry and the class divide, has been made into the character that represents these things. It's low-key rage inducing